NOTE: Please do not use this post as a reason or excuse to go to the blog mentioned and derail comment threads, troll, or otherwise reflect poorly on me. I do not need an advocate or an ally, only to air my feelings in a venue I own. One reason this is on LJ instead of Ludus Novus is that I do not wish to be complicit in meanness or disruption of others' blogs. Another caveat: I'm speaking from a position of privilege here, and I realize that, but I will do my best to compensate.
I subscribe to a group blog called Border House, which is dedicated to discussing games from the perspective of marginalized groups (minorities and women) and their allies. There's usually interesting stuff in the posts, although it's often much more provocative than productive. By that I mean that it asks interesting questions and presents interesting viewpoints, but rarely offers solutions or plans of action. That's fine; the biggest step is recognizing and understanding privilege and prejudice.
They recently started a series on Resident Evil 5, an issue which I've addressed before. My opinions in short: Although I have not played it, I believe that RE5 is irresponsible at best with regard to racism, and perpetuates awful stereotypes, demonizes Africans, and utterly ignores the racial and privilege issues that arise.
However, in that post, Lake Desire of Border House states that prejudice against white people is not racism, because it is not supported by institutional oppression. I wasn't aware of this at the time, but this is a view shared by several prominent people. Others disagree.
I too disagree, and I commented to say so. (Again, please do not jump in to advocate for me or cause trouble.) To paraphrase, I said "Institutional racism is worse than non-institutional racism, but to call prejudice against whites 'not racism' muddies the waters and ignores fundamental issues involved. Not that this has anything to do with RE5." So far, three different people have responded to my comment telling me not to "derail this comment thread into a Racism 101 discussion on the definition of racism" or telling me to get "a primer on what racism is." The post was edited to add a note to focus discussion on the post.
The title of the post I commented on was "What is racism?"
Just as people of privilege feel a reflex to strike back when accused of racism, people who are deeply involved in discussions of prejudice feel a reflex to dismiss questioning of their definitions. A single curt response requesting that I keep the discussion off the topic of definitions would have been fine, but I was repeatedly urged to stop, with charged language (repetition of the word "please," "respectfully suggest," "educate yourself," "Racism 101"). Note that this was in response to a single comment, the first comment discussing definitions in the thread. I had already stopped, making it clear that I was done.
I can completely understand their response. These sorts of discussions are plagued by people derailing the focus of posts, being willfully ignorant, causing trouble because they're offended. I assume they saw me as one of those people, and anticipating continued belligerence, decided to cut me off at the bud. I can understand that.
But I feel personally... offended? Disappointed? Discussing my feelings here seems a bit silly, speaking as I am both from a position of privilege and as the outsider who commented apparently inappropriately on their blog.
But still. The title of their post was "What is racism?" One of their main points, 1 of 3, was this definition of racism. My comment wasn't that off-topic, and as I said, I think I was clear that I didn't want to continue the discussion further.
To have a blog dedicated in part to discussing racial issues, but to not want to discuss the premises... I don't know. I'm sure they've had the discussion a hundred times. But here's the thing: I've grown to believe that I have a responsibility to call out prejudice where I see it, when I think the audience is responsive. And to say that prejudice against whites is "not racism" is to implicitly say that it's not a problem. Which is, well, racist.
I'm a white, mostly cisgendered, only-slightly-queer, Christian-cultured, mostly-fully-abled man. I'm sitting in a place of privilege, where prejudice against me has little chance of causing actual harm. It's certainly not institutionalized, except where I am ever-so-slightly trans, queer, emotionally disabled, and pagan. But racism is a problem that stems from a common cause. White folks and black folks are racist for the same reasons. White folks ended up on top, so our racism is a much bigger problem. But addressing the root of racism is important too, and we don't need to ignore it in order to address the larger issues of oppression.
I think I'm just whining and rambling here, so I'll end the post. I just felt the need to vent and share my views in a forum I control.
January 17 2010, 21:20:28 UTC 2 years ago
Reading the comments, I think it's obvious why you were offended. And rhetorically, it's fairly obvious why your comment was both justified and lambasted. I suppose what really offends me were the responses, which derailed what is clearly something people want to talk about - for better or worse. I'm offended when people plead on the internet instead of voicing their counter opinion; there's no construction from acting loudly submissive/wounded, that's rhetorical hoohah (though *extremely* persuasive, to those unaware). To say a forum deserves better than any comment is excessively haughty to me. Some of us care about semantics. Deeply. You're a computer scientist, so this mentality is rather encouraged. Precision is important. Regardless, you get what comments you attract, and with a title like "What is Racism", I think they should be thrilled the trolling is as low as it is.
But that's just an outsider's viewpoint.
January 17 2010, 21:54:51 UTC 2 years ago
One of the dynamics that emerges often when privilege is involved is the development of an "Us vs. Them" mentality. If you're not (anatomically) a woman, you can't be feminist. If you're not queer, you can't take a stand on LGBT issues. If you're (heaven forbid) white and middle-class, you can't discuss racism. This can be very frustrating.
Another problem I've run into in discussing these sorts of issues, is that many times the associated movements are several iterations deep and replete in loaded language. (e.g. The word "privilege" has a very distinct meaning in this context.) In this case, I think Lake Desire was using the word "racism" as short-hand for "institutional racism". This was understood by those steeped in the movement, but was not as precise a way to express the thought as it could have been. I think the way you presented this objection was fairly clear, but in the context of an anti-racist blog it is not surprising that it was seen as ignorance and/or trolling.
Incidentally, this is one reason that I identify as a Humanist rather than as (variously) a feminist, LGBT advocate, or anti-racist. I don't ever want to become so involved in a particular movement that I condone prejudice. As another friend of mine is fond of quoting, "All oppression is related."
January 18 2010, 13:58:26 UTC 2 years ago
That's a really interesting approach to take. I often have difficulty responding with a civil and coherent tongue when people say things to me like, "Oh, you must like man-bashing shows like [Home Improvement/Everybody Loves Raymond/etc.] -- you're a feminist, right?" Same about white-bashing media. It has nothing to do with being a feminist/anti-racist/LGBTQ advocate specifically, and the assumptions surrounding those labels make it harder for people to have serious discussions about the underlying issues.
January 18 2010, 15:46:42 UTC 2 years ago
Unrelated (almost), here's the video my friend is fond of quoting. NSFW language (and concepts, heh).
January 20 2010, 12:57:59 UTC 2 years ago
>.> To the original point of this post, though -- I agree that this is one of the most intriguing ways to state the intention. Thank you for some new ponder-fodder.
January 19 2010, 04:51:40 UTC 2 years ago
January 18 2010, 02:54:42 UTC 2 years ago
What may be more important overall is the point of the story. If you take the time to read the various documents left lying around in the game, you may begin to see that the game itself is an allegory for white colonialism. The Evil Corporation (an American company run by very unlikable people) sets up shop in Africa and begins to turn people by giving them smaller doses of the disease that makes them stronger and faster. Once they've done this, they begin using them as labor to gain access to various evil McGuffins until they eventually succumb to the disease and are released on other populations to spread it.
One can argue about how well this is conveyed in the game, but I will continue to strenuously argue that making an assessment of a work based on its promotional materials is irresponsible. Let the game stand or fall on its own merits.
January 18 2010, 03:05:38 UTC 2 years ago
January 18 2010, 03:10:38 UTC 2 years ago
Given the first line in the editor's revision, it seems that the community seems primarily concerned with discussion within the framework they're using that is geared towards policy change (I started to write "that agree with their points of view," here but stopped myself). Given that, I could see how challenging the author's definition of racism might have, from the community's point of view, belonged in another thread. But to outright dismiss an argument as either uneducated or invalid because it comes from a position of privilege or disagrees with a community-specific point of view is folly. It, in fact, seems to be similar in nature to saying, "You must be ignorant about why the Xbox360 is the best game system because you own a PS3," only with a more academic pretense. Arguments originating from different frameworks should complicate and strengthen a concept instead of being grounds for altogether dismissing the argument. I can understand not wanting an article to get bogged down with discussion of definition, as I'm sure happens frequently, but I think that's one of the risks an author takes when he uses broad and potentially problematic conclusions as fact in one of his main arguments in the article. It should certainly be possible to disagree with what an author has stated without completely disagreeing with an author's beliefs.
The posting guidelines for the blog state that, "You can disagree and state your opinion (politely), but be willing to engage with terminology and concepts with an open mind." Unfortunately, it seems that any comments about definition, even if they're relevant to the original post, can also trigger a "this poster is trying to derail the thread," defense mechanism, described in the same guidelines:
"Stay on-topic. Don’t hijack the thread or otherwise disrupt the discussion. For example if a post is discussing an oppressed group, do not derail the thread by complaining about the perceived oppressions that a privileged group has. For example, “Men/heterosexuals/whites/cis gendered/able-bodied/[insert privileged group] have it bad, too!” or “That’s reverse sexism!” These are classic derailing tactics that privileged groups use when they get defensive, shifting the discussion away from the topic at hand."
It may be an isolated case here, but ultimately, I would consider a community that outright dismisses the questioning of its base assumptions as derailing when the assumptions themselves are one of the topics being discussed in an article to be a close-minded community. That strikes me as odd in a community that supports what I would consider very open-minded ideals.
Apologies for length and rambliness.
January 18 2010, 05:58:40 UTC 2 years ago
January 21 2010, 13:14:23 UTC 2 years ago
"This is not the place to derail discussion into what white people think racism is, dismissing the definition of racism we’re working with here (or the perspectives of POC), or trying to highlight the plight of prejudice against white people. Please check your privilege.
Please keep the discussion focused on the post. If you wish to discuss racism 101 concepts, if any of the concepts Lake Desire touched upon in her post are unclear, if you’re not sure why these definitions or concepts are used, how folks arrived at this definition of racism, or if you wish to learn more about racism, please see our resources page and take a look at the anti-racist blogs and web sites there."
What if I'd posted like you had? Would I then be more authoritative because I was telling them what a black person thought racism was? It's B.S. They're trivializing an important point by calling it "racism 101", like once you've mastered that obvious definition thing (along with, you know, "checking your privilege"), you can move on to the Big Boy discussions.
Gah.